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by King James I of England, VI of Scotland.
(b. 1566 — d. 1625)

That the manifold abuses of this vile custom of tobacco taking, may the better be espied; it is fit that first you enter into confederation both of the first original thereof and likewise of the reason of the first entry thereof into this country; for certainly as such customs that have their first infiltration either from a godly, necessary, or honorable ground, and are first brought in by the means of some worthy virtuous and great personage; are never, and more justly holden in great reverent estimation and account by all wise virtuous and temperate spirits; so should it by the contrary, justly bring a great disgrace into that sort of customs, which having their original base corruption and barbarity, do, in like sort, make their first entry into a country, by an inconsiderate and childish affectation of novelty, as is the true case of the first invention of tobacco taking and the first entry thereof among us….

Now to the corrupted baseness of the first use of this tobacco doth very well agree the foolish and groundless first entry thereof into this Kingdom. It is not so long since the first entry of this abuse among us here as this present age cannot yet very well remember, both the first author, and the form of the first introduction of it against us. It was neither brought in by king, great conqueror, nor learned doctor of physics…

But since it is true that divers customs slightly grounded, and with no better warrant entered in a commonwealth, may yet in the use of them thereafter prove both necessary and profitable. It is therefore next to be examined if there be not a full sympathy and true proportion between the base ground and foolish entry, and the loathsome and hurtful use of this stinking antidote.

I am now therefore heartily to pray you to consider, first upon what false and erroneous grounds you have first built the general good liking thereof; and next what sins towards God, and foolish vanities before the world you commit in the detestable use of it.

As for those deceitful grounds that have specially moved you to take a good and great conceit thereof. I shall content myself to examine here only four of the principles of them: two founded upon the theory of a deceivable appearance of reason, and two of them upon the mistaken practice of general experience.

First, it is thought by you a sure aphorisms in the administration of medicine[2] that the brains of all men being naturally cold and wet, all dry and hot things should be good for them of which nature this stinking suffumigation is, and therefore of good use to them. Of this argument both the proposition and assumption are false, and so the conclusion cannot be void[3] of itself. For as to the proposition that because the brains are cold and moist, therefore things that are hot and dry are best for them; it is an inept consequence. For man being compounded of the four complexions (whose fathers are the four elements) although there be a mixture of them all in all parts of his body; yet must the divers parts of our microcosm, or little world within ourselves, be diversely more inclined some to one, some to another complexion according to the diversity of their uses that of these discords a perfect harmony may be made up for the maintenance of the whole body.

The application then of a thing of a contrary nature to any of these parts is to interrupt them of their due function, and by consequence hurtful to the health of the whole body; as if a man, because the liver is as the fountain of blood, and as it were an oven to the stomach, would therefore apply and wear close upon his liver and stomach a cake of lead he might within a very short time (I hope) be sustained very good cheap at an ordinary, besides the clearing of his conscience from that deadly sin of gluttony. And as if because the heart is full of vital spirits, and in perpetual motion, a man would therefore lay a heavy pound stone on his breast for staying and holding down that wanton palpitation, I doubt not but his breast would be more bruised with the weight thereof than the heart would be comforted with such a disagreeable and contrarious cure. And even so is it with the brains, for if a man because the brains are cold and humid should therefore use inwardly by smells, or outwardly by application, things of hot and dry qualities, all the gain that he could make thereof would only be to put himself in great forwardness for running mad by over-watching himself. The coldness and moisture of our brains being the only ordinary means that procure our sleep and rest. Indeed, I do not deny that when it falls out that any of these or any part of our body grows to be distempered, and to tend to an extremity beyond the compass of natures temperature mixture that in that case cures of contrary qualities to the intemperate inclination of that part being wisely prepared and discreetly ministered may be both necessary and helpful for strengthening and assisting nature in the expulsion of her enemies, for this is the true definition of all profitable administration of medicine.

But first, these cures ought not to be used, but where there is need of them. The contrary whereof is daily practiced in this general use of tobacco by all sorts of complexions of people.

And next, I deny the minor of this argument, as I have already said, in regard that this tobacco is not simply of a dry and hot quality but rather hath a certain venomous faculty joined with the heat thereof which makes it have an antipathy against nature as by the hateful nature thereof doth well appear. For the nose being the proper organ and convoy of the sense of smelling to the brains, which are the only fountain of the sense, doth ever serve us for an infallible witness, whether that odor which we smell be healthful or hurtful to the brain (except when it falls out that the sense itself is corrupted and abused through some infirmity and distemper in the brain). And that the suffumigation thereof cannot have a drying quality. It needs no further probation than that it is a smoke, all smoke and vapor being of itself humid as drawing near to the nature of air, and easy to be resolved again into water, whereof there needs no other proof but the meteors which being bred of nothing else but of the vapors and exhalations sucked up by the sun out of the earth, the sea and waters. Yet, are the same smoky vapors turned and transformed into rains, snows, dews, hoarfrosts, and such like watery meteors as by the contrary, the rainy clouds are often transformed and evaporated in blustering winds.

The second argument grounded on a show of reason is that this filthy smoke, as well through the heat and strength thereof, as by a natural force and quality, is able and fit to purge both the head and stomach of rheums and distillations as experience teaches by the spitting and avoiding phlegm immediately after the taking of it. But the fallacy of this argument may easily appear by my late proceeding description of the meteors, for even as the smoky vapors sucked by the sun and stayed in the lowest and cold region of the air are contracted into clouds and turned into rain and such other watery meteors. So this stinking smoke being sucked up by the nose and imprisoned in the cold and moist brains is by their cold and wet faculty turned and cast forth again in watery distillations, and so are you made free and purged of nothing, but that wherewith you wilfully burdened yourselves, and therefore are you no wiser in taking Tobacco for purging you of distillations than, if for preventing cholic, you would take all kind of windy meats and drinks; and for preventing of the stone, you would take all kind of meats and drinks that would breed gravel in the kidneys. And then when you were forced to void much wind out of your stomach, and much gravel in your urine, that you should attribute the thank, therefore, to such nourishments as breed those within you that behooved either to be expelled by the force of nature, or you to have burst at the broadside, as the Proverb is.

As for the other two reasons founded upon experience, the first of which is that the whole people would not have taken for general a good liking thereof if they had not by experience found it very savoring and good for them. For answer there unto how easily the mind of any people wherewith God hath replenished this world may be drawn to the foolish affection of any novelty; I leave it to the discreet judgment of any man that is reasonable.

Do we not daily see that a man can sooner bring over from beyond the seas any new form of apparel but that he cannot be thought a man of spirit that would not presently imitate the same, and so from hand to hand it spreads until it be practiced by all; not for any commodity that is in it, but only because it is come to be the fashion. For such is the force of that natural self-love in every one of us, and such is the corruption of envy bred in the breast of every one as we cannot be content unless we imitate every thing that our fellows do, and so prove ourselves capable of every thing whereof they are capable, like apes counterfeiting the manners of others to our own destruction. For let one or two of the greatest masters of mathematics in any of the two famous universities but constantly affirm any clear day that they see some strange apparition in the skies; they will, I warrant you, be seconded by the greatest part of the students in that profession. So loath will they be, to be thought inferior to their fellows either in depth of knowledge or sharpness of sight, and, therefore, the general good liking and embracing of this foolish custom doth but only proceed from that affectation of novelty and popular error whereof I have already spoken.

And the other argument drawn from a mistaken experience is but the more particular probation of this general, because it is alleged to be found true by proof. That by taking of tobacco divers, and very many, do find themselves cured of divers diseases as on the other part no man ever received harm thereby. In this argument, there is first a great mistaking and next monstrous absurdity, for is not a very great mistaking, to take non causam pre causa[4] as they say in logic, because peradventure when a sick man has had his disease at the height he hath at that instant taken tobacco, and afterward his disease taking the natural course of declining and consequently the patient of recovering his health, O, then the tobacco in truth was the worker of that miracle, beside that, it is a thing well known to all physicians that the apprehension and conceit of the patient hath by wakening and uniting the vital spirits and so strengthening nature a great power and virtue to cure dives diseases. For an evident proof of mistaking in the like case; I pray what foolish boy, what silly wench, what old doting wife, or ignorant country clown is not physician for the toothache, cholic, and divers such common diseases. Yes, will not every man you meet withal teach you a sundry cure for the same and swear by that man, either himself of some of his nearest kinsman and friends was cured, and yet I hope no man is so foolish to believe them. And all these toys do only proceed from the mistaking non causam pro causa[5] as I have already said, and so if a man chance to remove one of any disease after he hath taken tobacco, that must have the thanks of all. But by the contrary, if a man smoke himself to death with it (as many have done) then some other disease must bear the blame for that fault. So do old harlots thank their harlotry for their many years that custom being healthful (say they) ad purgandos renes[6], but never have mind how many die of the pox in the flower of their youth, and so do old drunkards think they prolong their days by their swine like diet, but never remember how many die drowned in drink before they be half old.

And what greater absurdity can there be than to say that one cure shall serve for divers and contrarious sorts of diseases. It is an undoubted ground among all physicians that there is almost no sort either of nourishment or medicine that has not some thing in it disagreeable to some part of men’s body because, as I have already said, the nature of the temperature of every part is so different from another, that according to the old proverb that which is good for the head is evil for the neck and shoulders. For even as a strong enemy invades a town or fortress although in his siege thereof he does belay and compass it round about, yet he makes his breach and entry at some one of few special parts thereof, which he hath tried and found to be weakest and left able to resist. So sickness doth make her particular assault upon such part or parts of our body as are weakest and easiest to be overcome by the sort of disease which then doth assail us; although all the rest of the body, by sympathy feels itself to be as it were belayed and besieged by the affliction of that special part. The grief and smart thereof being by the sense of feeling dispersed through all the rest of the members, and therefore the skillful physician presses by such cures to purge and strengthen that part which is afflicted as are only fit for that sort of disease and do best agree with the nature of that infirm part which being abused to a disease of another nature would prove as hurtful to the one as helpful for the other. Not only will a skillful and weary physician be careful to use no cure but that which is fit for that sort of disease, but he will also consider all other circumstances and make the remedies suitable there unto as the temperature of the clime where the patient is. The constitution of the planets, the time of the moon, the season of the year, the age and complexion of the patient, the present state of his body in strength or weakness. For one cure must not ever be used for the self same disease but according to the varying of any of the aforesaid circumstances. That sort of remedy must be used which is fittest for the same. Whereby the contrary in this case, such is the miraculous omnipotency of our strong-tasted tobacco as it cures all sorts of diseases (which never any drug could do before) in all persons, and at all times. It cures all manner of distillations, either in head or stomach (if you believe their axioms) although in very deed it does both corrupt the brain, and by causing over quick digestion fills the stomach full of crudities. It cures gout in the feet, and (which is miraculous) in that very instant where the smoke thereof as light flies up into the head, the value thereof, as heavy, runs down to the little toe. It helps all sorts of agues; it makes a man sober that was drunk; it refreshes a weary man, and yet makes a man hungry; being taken when they go to bed, it makes one sleep soundly and yet being taken when a man is sleepy and drowsy, it will, as they say, awaken his brain and quicken his understanding. As for curing the pox, it serves for that use but among the pocky Indian slaves. Here in England it is refined and will not deign to cure here any other than cleanly and gentlemanly diseases. Oh, the omnipotent power of tobacco! And if it could by the smoke thereof chase out devils, as the smoke of Tobias Fish did (which, I am sure, could smell no stronger) it would serve for a precious relic, both for the superstitious priests and the insolent Puritans, to call our devils withal.

Admitting then, and not confessing, that the use thereof were healthful for some sorts of diseases, should it be used for all sicknesses? Should it be used by all men? Should it be used at all times? Yes, should it be used by able, young, strong, healthful men? Medicine hath that virtue that it never leaves a man in the state wherein it finds him. It makes a sick man whole, but a whole man sick. And as medicine helps nature, being taken at times of necessity, so being ever and continually used, it doth but weaken man every hour of the day, or as often as many in this country use to take tobacco. Let a man, I say, but take as often the best sorts of nourishments in meat and drink that can be devised, he shall with the continual use thereof weaken both his head and his stomach. All members shall become feeble; his spirits dull; and in the end, as a drowsy, lazy belly-god, he shall fade away in a lethargy.

And from this weakness it precedes that many in this kingdom have had such a continual use of taking this unsavory smoke, as now they are not able to forbear the same no more than an old drunkard can abide to be long sober without falling into an incurable weakness and evil constitution. For their continual custom hath made to them habitual alter am natural[7]. So, to those that from their birth have continually nourished upon poison, and things venomous, wholesome meats are only poison.

Thus having, as I trust, sufficiently answered the most principle arguments that are used in defense of this vile custom, it rests only to inform you what sins and vanities you commit in the filthy abuse thereof: First, are you not guilty of sinful and shameful lust (for lust may be as well in any of the senses as in feeling) that although you be troubled with no disease, but in perfect health, yet can you neither be merry at an ordinary, not lascivious in the stews, if you lack tobacco to provoke your appetite to any of those sorts of recreation lusting after it as the children of Israel did in the wilderness after quails. Secondly: it is as you use, or rather abuse, it a branch of the sin of drunkenness, which is the root of all sins; for as the only delight that drunkards take in wine is in the strength of the taste, and the force of the fume thereof that mounts up to the brain, for no drunkards love any weak or sweet drink. So are not those (I mean the strong heat fume) the only qualities that make tobacco so delectable to all the lovers of it? And no man likes strong heady drink the first day (because nenia repentefit turpissimus[8]) but by custom is piece and piece allured, while in the end, a drunkard will have as great a thrill to be drunk as a sober man to quench his thirst with a drought when he hath need of it. So is not this the very case of all the great takers of tobacco which therefore they themselves do attribute to a bewitching quality in it? Thirdly: Is it not the greatest sin of all that you, the people of all sorts of this kingdom who are created and ordained by God, to bestow both your persons and goods for the maintenance both of the honor and safety of your king and commonwealth should disable yourselves in both? In your persons having by this continual vile custom brought yourselves to this shameful imbecility that you are not able to ride or walk the journey of a Jew’s Sabbath, but you must have a reeky coal brought to you from the next poor house to kindle your tobacco with. Whereas he cannot be thought able for any service in the wars that cannot endure oftentimes the want of meat, drink and sleep much more then must he endure the want of tobacco. In the times of the many glorious and victorious battles fought by this nation, there was no word of tobacco, but now if it were time of wars, and that you were to make some sudden cavalcado upon your enemies, if any of you should seek leisure to lay behind his fellow for taking of tobacco, for my part, I should never be sorry for any evil chance that might befall him. To take a custom in any thing that cannot be left again is most harmful to the people of any land. Mollities[9] and delicacy were the rack and overthrow, first of the Persians, and next of the Roman Empire. And this very custom of taking tobacco (whereof our present purpose is) is even at this day accounted so effeminate among the Indians themselves, as in the market, they will offer no price for a slave to be sold whom they find to be a great tobacco-taker.

Now how you are by this custom disabled in your goods, let the gentry of this land bear witness, some of them bestowing three, some four hundred pounds a year upon this precious stink, which I am sure might be bestowed upon many far better uses. I read indeed of a knavish courtier who for abusing the favor of the Emperor Alexander Severus — his master — by taking bribes to intercede for sundry persons in his master’s ear (for whom he never once opened his mouth) was justly choked with smoke. With this doom fumo peteat-qui fumum vendidst[10]. But of so many smoke-buyers as are at this present in this kingdom, I never read nor heard.

And for the vanities committed in this filthy custom, is it not both great vanity and uncleanness that at the table, a place of respect, of cleanliness of modesty men should not be ashamed to sit tossing of tobacco pipes and puffing of the smoke of tobacco one to another making the filthy smoke and stink thereof to exhale athwart the dishes and infect the air when very often men that abhor it are at their repast. Surely smoke becomes a kitchen; also oftentimes in the inward parts of men fouling and infecting them with an unctuous and oily kind of foot as hath been found in some great tobacco-takers that after their death were opened. And not only meat-time but no other time nor action is exempted from the public use of this uncivil trick. So as if the wives of Diep list contest with this nation for good manners, their worst manners would in all reason be found at least not dishonest, as ours are in this point. The public use whereof at all times and in all places hath now so far prevailed as divers men very fond of both in judgment and complexion have been at last forced to take it also without desire partly because they were ashamed to seem singular (like the two philosophers that were forced to duck themselves in that rain-water and become fools as well as the rest of the people) and partly to be as one that was content to eat garlic (which he did not love) that he might not be troubled with the smell of it in the breath of his fellows. And is it not a great vanity that a man cannot heartily welcome his friend now, but straight they must be in hand with tobacco. No, it is become in place of a cure, a point of good fellowship. He will refuse to take a pipe of tobacco among his fellows (though by his own election he would rather smell the favor of the sink) is accounted peevish and no good company; even as they do with tippling in the cold eastern countries. Yes, the mistress cannot in a more mannerly kind entertain her servant than by giving him out of her fair hand a pipe of tobacco, but herein is not only a great vanity but a great contempt for God’s good gifts that sweetens a man’s breath being a good gift of God should be wilfully corrupted by this stinking smoke wherein I must confess it hath too strong a virtue, and so that which is an ornament of nature and can neither by any artifice be at the first acquired, nor once lost be recovered again shall be filthily corrupted with an incurable stink which vile quality is as directly contrary to that wrong opinion which is holden of the wholesomeness thereof as the venom of putrefaction is contrary to the virtue preservative.

Moreover, which is a great iniquity, and against all humanity. The husband shall not be ashamed to reduce thereby his delicate wholesome and clean-complexioned wife to that extremity that either she must also corrupt her sweet breath therewith, or else resolve to live n a perpetual stinking torment.

Have you not reason then to be ashamed and to forbear this filthy novelty, so basely grounded, so foolishly received and so grossly mistaken in the right use thereof. In your abuse thereof sinning against God harming yourselves both in person and goods, and raking also thereby the marks and notes of vanity upon you by the custom thereof making yourselves to be wondered at by all foreign civil nations and by all strangers that come among you to be scorned and held in contemp; a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black stinking fume thereof nearest resembling the horrible stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless.

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Footnotes:

1 This essay was transcribed from a microfilm copy of a book published in 1672. The original essay was published in 1604. The microfilm is in the microfilm department of Love Library on the city campus of The University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Nebraska (Z 2002.E 3 reel 892.17 — J1.47). This copy was prepared in October, 1999 by John P. Shaw. The footnotes are not part of the original text.

2 Here, and elsewhere in this essay, the word “Physick” has been translated “administration of medicine” whether by a physician or lay person.

3 We would use the term “valid” instead of “void.” Indeed, if the premises are false the conclusion cannot be true and the argument valid.

4 There is no cause before cause.

5 There is no cause before cause.

6 To the purging of the loins (renal area; kidneys).

7 Habit alters nature.

8 No man becomes a villain all at once.

9 Softness

10 Smokers seek some smoke-vendors (tobacco vendors).

 

Are you healthy in Christ? Or are you corrupt and corrupting the body around you? Listen to Brother Zac as a son would a father. His insight and wisdom in this sermon should, if we are healthy cause us to examine ourselves as commanded to 2 Cor. 13:5

When the devil does not flee from you, it is proof you are not submitted to God.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.  James 4:7

Listen the the thought provoking truths as Pastor Ed shows the connections between Nazi Germany’s laws and the laws being passed in “free” America. Pastor Ed shows the banker and Bush connection and exposes George Bush as a sodomite. (A luciferian virtue praticed by high level luciferians like Skull & Bones members)

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http://www.vyzygoth.com/unholy.pdf 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/business/worldbusiness/16iht-16banking.19415086.html?_r=1 

http://www.infowars.com/pat-robertsons-nwo-god-us-will-embrace-socialism/ 

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm 

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=102970 

http://rt.com/usa/news/america-lives-in-a-fascist-state-gerald-celente/ 

http://www.infowars.com/obama-depopulation-policy-exposed/ 

http://www.shoaheducation.com/peoplenazitheo.html

BOOKS:

The Plot to Sieze the Whitehouse Jules Archer

The Confessions of an Economic Hitman John Perkins

The Federal Mafia Irwin Schiff

Pawns in the Game William Guy Carr

The Fourth Reich of the Rich Des Griffen

Hitler’s Cross Erwin Lutzer

Constitutional Chaos Andrew Napolitano

Pastor Ed continues this disturbing and satanic expose of the false Christian and fascist deceiver George Bush and his role in bringing America into a One World Government using the Nazi model of changing laws as the template.

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For those of you familiar with the doctrines of Islam and Hinduism listen closely to the description of the god of Calvinism according the the Westminster Confession of Faith and see if you smell a demonic rat. This is an awesome illustration of the truth of the god of Calvinism and what Calvinism teaches teaches about god. This, without question is, the end days falling away from the faith the Bible warns us of. This is another Jesus they preach, another gospel, and contrary to all good sound doctrine. In short it is a doctrine of devils that is unmasked in this excellent illustration by Pastor Skelly.

“When we stop to consider that among Non-Christian religions Mohammedanism (Islam) has so many millions who believe in some kind of Predestination, that the doctrine of Fatalism has been held in some form or other in several heathen (pagan?) countries, and that the mechanistic and deterministic philosophies have exerted such great influences…….this doctrine is at least worthy of careful study” – Loraine Boettner, Predestination, p. 2

And Boettner is a Calvinist! He actually uses the similarities between Calvinism and Islam as a reason to consider the “truths” of predestination! Amazing! Kerrigan Skelly

 

 

I can testify to personally having been released from curses from my life after having learned some of these truths. My wife was also released from a curse in a dramatic way many years ago after having learned she was under a curse and what to do about it. This is one of those sermons that we need to examine ourselves to see if there perhaps is something operating in your life that is a curse. There are some powerful truths here.

After revisiting this I for one will be taking stock of my life to see if there are any curses that need to be broken and anything that needs to be repented of. I give you praise O Lord Jesus!

 

Of all the preachers I have known over the years I remember Derek Prince as being one of the most honest and balanced. I learned so much from him and grew much in faith from examining and putting into practice the things he taught. He was a man who loved the Lord and was the same in person as he was behind the pulpit. This man loved the Lord, knew his word, had an international radio show, and planted churches, written many books, and spoke all around the world the truth that would set the captive free. I personally miss men of God like him. There seem to be so few these days who speak on these subjects. I pray this teaching blesses you richly and changes your life forever giving glory to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We hear one of the great mistakes the KJV translators got when translating the KJV was it’s use of the word Easter instead of passover. Let’s look at the evidence and see if the KJV got it wrong while other versions got it right…or did they?

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The Gap Theory is a necessary crutch for theistic evolutionists. Kick that crutch away with the truth of God’s word and true science and the believer will either discover that he can stand on the truth of God’s word alone or that he in fact is a false believer, as is the famed proponent and heretic Hugh Ross. ( A deluded false believer who professes Christ and then promotes evolution in a creation model, warring, as the bible says as enemies of the cross. In this sermon Pastor Ed shows fallacy of believing in the Gap Theory and why all Christians should reject it.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith 1 Tim. 6:20-21

The bible is valdidated by true science and true science is not in conflict in the least with the Bible.

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by Edward Watson

Taken From VM’s site on Facebook  9/30/2010

Refuted by Pastor Ed Watson

 

Refutation is in bold

 

I DARE THOSE OF YOU THAT BELIEVE A PERSON CAN LOSE HIS SALVATION TO READ THIS AND POINT OUT EXACTLY WHERE I AM WRONG. I FIND PEOPLE TRY TO DISPUTE THIS FROM ONLY READING THE TITLE.

 

I don’t undertake this refutation because of your “dare” but to protect those who would go astray if they believed this false doctrine, which is assumed by the misunderstanding of some words and doctrines. I do hope that you are sincere when you say to point out exactly where you are wrong. And I do this in the spirit of humility with Paul’s exhortation and James’ words echoing in my mind.

 

Gal 6:1  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

Jas 5:19  Brethren, (A brother in the Lord) if any of you do err from the truth (who err from the truth? The brethren. Only a brethren CAN err from the truth since only they possess it.), and one convert him (The brother now needs conversion again?);

Jas 5:20  Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner (now the brother is called a sinner?) from the error of his way shall save a soul from death (saving a soul from death, not eternal rewards, A SOUL!), and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Hiding a multitude of sins is the desire of God but this can only be done by coming to the truth, we cannot be clean and in error, for it is the word of God that makes us clean (Joh_15:3  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.) to twist it is to turn the grace of God into lasciviousness.

 

Before you get into this Bible study I would like to preface this study with two things: First, these promises are for those who are truly born again, saved, Christians, and has evidence of being such. If you call yourself a Christian and you live for yourself then you are really living for the devil, because if you are not living for Christ you are living for the devil. There is no grey area, and these promises do not apply to you.  Second, for those who think a person can lose his salvation I just want to make it simple before we start. You will never find any verses that say a person can become unborn of God, or unsaved, or returned back to death, or become blind again, or returned to walking in the darkness again, or lost everlasting life. This alone should prove a person that has salvation cannot lose it. If a person could lose their salvation then I am sure these expressions would of been used to make it perfectly clear, but instead of being clear, verses are used that have to be interpreted to appear that a person has lost his salvation. All the verses used by some to try to prove a person can lose his salvation are about people God gives a taste of salvation, trying to get them to believe with their whole hearts, by surrendering their hearts and lives to Jesus Christ. So by misunderstanding those verses they are taken out of context. The verses used here for eternal security are very clear a true believer cannot lose his salvation.

 

Because you believe in only two types of people, which I do agree with to a certain extent, you miss the warnings Christ gives over and over to those who were “truly” born again. This misunderstanding seems to be based on some assumptions about receiving eternal life, which I will address later. You said, ”You will never find any verses that say a person can become unborn of God, or unsaved, or returned back to death, or become blind again, or returned to walking in the darkness again, or lost everlasting life.”  This is what is called a compound statement mixing many different definitions together, the logical with the illogical, so as to sound logical in its conclusion. For instance there is no such thing as being “unborn of God” but there is such a thing as “becoming blind,” “returning back to death” (in a spiritual sense of course), and losing their spiritual life. The author goes on to declare victory and calls this illogical mess “proof.” I believe this declaration of “victory” to be premature and without merit as there is not sufficient evidence to prove one cannot lose one’s salvation. He then goes on to say if one could lose their salvation, God would have used the same logic as he used by using the same terms. Apparently the terms, Shipwreck concerning the faith, thou shall also be cut off, those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God, God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he (future tense) also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall (future tense) of the Spirit reap life everlasting, Because thou art lukewarm I will spue thee out of my mouth, and also ignoring subjunctives (conditions) such as “if,” “unless,” and “otherwise” By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, UNLESS ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN Mat_15:9, 2Cor6:1 does not constitute “proof” to the author. Warnings throughout scripture fall on his deaf ears as he tries to convince his readers that there is no such thing as sound doctrinal proof that one CAN and many DO in fact lose their salvation. His false doctrine would keep those in their lost state convinced they are still saved, regardless of the doctrine believed or the sins committed after initial salvation. It lulls them into an unscriptural and false sense of security. This has been Satan’s goal since the beginning to get people to believe that God is loving that he will bend justice to their favor, that they do not need their own righteousness and purity because they vicariously have Jesus’. Satan from the very beginning preached a OSAS gospel to get Eve to fall. He told her, “Ye shall not surely die” AFTER God plainly told Adam it would.

When Paul ceased not to warn believers for three years night and day with tears, Act_20:31 he knew the devastation their good words and fair speeches Rom_16:18 would have on the sheep. Paul spent three years warning day and night, what would be so urgent? How could the sheep not “turn to goats” as the writers false premise presents but, “not spare the flock?” Why did he warn about our adversary the Devil who uses these people? He warned that, “He went about seeking whom he may devour” like a hungry lion, if the sheep could not BE devoured? A warning is of no use if it is empty words which are irrelevant and cannot apply. Keep this in mind as we remember the words of the Lord to be not high-minded but fear, and to Fear him who can throw both body and soul into Hell. These sayings of the Lord they render meaningless making the word of God of no effect and diverting attention from the beginning of wisdom (the application of God’s word) that is the fear of God!

 

Jesus says; “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

 

 Matthew 7:22,23  Notice, Jesus does “NOT” tell these people on Judgment Day; “I used to know you but you went astray, you walked away from me, and I don’t know you anymore.”  or “I knew you three times, but you lost your salvation three times, so I don’t know you know you anymore”  Lets get this clear, pay close attention, don’t miss this, this is not an intreprtation, this is what Jesus clearly says, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”.  If Jesus never knew them that means they did not ever have salvation. If there was any place in the Bible where it would show a person could of lost his salvation it would of been shown here, because these types of people are the examples used by those who believe a person can lose his salvation.

 

This is an incomplete assessment of this verse and seeks to insert here that though he is speaking to those whom “he never knew” it does NOT preclude the Lord from speaking to others who once did know him, which we find in Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, ALL YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Here he makes no distinction about “never knowing them.” This is to everyone who has unforgiven sin in their lives whether they were once forgiven or not. Matt. 18:35 The author then goes on to say this is not an “interpretation,” (which it is from the Greek, but I will assume he meant in its meaning) as though that ends the matter. The verse I quoted is not an interpretation of its meaning either but he is assuming that Jesus will speak no other words of condemnation to no other group of people. While Jesus is clearly talking to the Jews here we cannot therefore say it does not apply to the Christian who does not endure to the end (Matt. 10:22), has believed in vain (1 Cor. 15:2), has fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4), become shipwrecked in their faith (1 Tim. 1:19), returned to the mire and vomit (2 Pet. 2:20-22), Erred from the truth (James 5:19,20), become lukewarm (Rev. 3:16), walk according to the flesh (Rom. 8:13, Gal. 5:19-21, Gal. 6:8) deny the Lord in works (Matt. 10:33, Tit. 1:16), Deny Him by denying the Truth and suffering with Him (John 14:6, 2 Tim. 2:12) et. al.

 

Continuing in this line of reasoning the author says,   “ If there was any place in the Bible where it would show a person could of lost his salvation it would of been shown here, because these types of people are the examples used by those who believe a person can lose his salvation.”  I notice he speaks in the future past tense in “could have lost” which is another reason for misunderstanding scripture. It is when we view from a position of eternity, going forward into eternity and looking back as though the judgment is already set. Judgment does not come to us until we die, after this the judgment. God is not outside of time he exists and works with us in time but is also in eternity. He deal with us in time and answers our prayers in time not according to what we will do in the future but he deals with us in the time we are in. This is shown over and over again in scripture. So we need to look from the time that we live in to understand this issue and not jump forward past the judgment where he pools from the “truly saved”. These types of people he is referring to, according to him, can ONLY be those who were once saved if this is a true doctrine. When these have shown to be what Jesus calls tares in the church who never knew the Lord personally but were false converts from front to end. This is a different matter altogether and does not refute the possibility of one losing their salvation. Be very careful of this reasoning, this was the very verse the false or backslidden believers used to deceive me when I was a babe in Christ to lead me to the place where the devil could isolate me and cut me off from the Good Shepherd by sinning. As they teach that we cannot lose our salvation as the Lord showed me could happen when I was first born again they always seem to argue for sin and against the requirement for purity and holiness in the lives of those he saves. (Matt. 5:8, 20, 1Thes. 4:7, Heb. 12:14, Rev. 19:8).

One verse that haunted me when I was in sin, fallen away from the Lord, by act of my own free will was:

Matt. 8:12 But the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Of course they would try to comfort me by saying that that was the Jews he was speaking about, which no doubt he was, but how does that excuse us in light of : Rom 11:19  Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Rom 11:20  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR: (The OSAS “gospel” tells us the opposite, be high-minded and know you are safe, God will not judge your sins by casting you away as a reprobate, he judges with unbalanced scales [abomination to Him] you will only lose rewards, don’t worry there is nothing to fear, don’t listen to those fear mongers out there.)

Rom 11:21  For if God spared not the natural branches, TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE. (This is what Paul also reiterated in 2 Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? what was Paul saying we Christians would only lose reward? NO! It is “Thee” a personal singular pronoun that would not be spared and when the branches are not spared they are burned.)

 

Rom 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Why would we need to behold God’s severity if it does not apply to us? He then tells us why, because it DOES apply to us IF we do not continue in the goodness of his grace which teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should LIVE [that is now in a practical sense not an imaginary imputed sense where one sins and imagines he is still right with God] soberly, righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD! He is telling what true grace is, that it teaches us to live this way NOW, in THIS life not putting our hope in the enemy death to set us free, it is Christ who came to set us free not death, as the Gnostics of old and today teach. This OSAS “gospel” is nothing more than an ancient Gnostic belief in the favor and love of “God” over the divine justice and mercy of God. How do they do it? They simply redefine grace by saying it covers present and future sins not just past repented of sins.)

If we are to fully understand who the children of the Kingdom are we need to let the Bible define itself by allowing it to tell us who these children are. Now, if you are reading from a newer version of the Bible this will pass you right by. I believe that the KJV is tried and tested for centuries and has proved itself to be the word of God for English speaking people. It is things like what I am about to show you that you miss with the new versions. If this does not put the fear of God in you and cause you to examine yourself daily I don’t know what will. If you are one content to stay in secret sins and resist the truth of God’s word it will not be because you weren’t shown the truth but because you loved the pleasure of sin more than God.

There are only two places that the “Children of the kingdom are mentioned in the Bible. One place tells of them being thrown into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and the other is the definition that Jesus Christ Himself gives.

Mat 13:38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Notice the children are the good seed? The good seed that worked iniquity, which returned back to the mire and the vomit, those who have fallen from grace, are those who once believed.

Luk 8:13  They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, RECEIVER THE WORD WITH JOY; and these have no root, which FOR A WHILE BELIEVE, and in time of temptation fall away.

It is those who because of temptation to sin indulge in that sin and become lost again, like the prodigal son who was once alive and was dead and is ALIVE AGAIN, they never make it to the “alive again.” And this damnable doctrine is in a huge way to blame as it comes from the Father of lies, it tickles the itching ear and is NOT sound doctrine.

They, on the rock were, according to Jesus, good seed. Jesus is the sower of good seed but some of this good seed does not remain abiding in the vine and when it is withered (a picture of physical death) it is gather up, just as men gather up dried branches and throw them into the fire. (A picture of eternal spiritual death) We also see that Jesus seeks lost sheep and silver coins and waits for the prodigal to return. Rev 3:18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eye salve, that thou mayest see.  (Notice He is our source for all we need. He implies here that they were not continuing in faith relying on Jesus but were of the mindset that they needed not to study as all the hard things of God were either too much trouble or had already been figured out. Why fast and pray and study His word if we can just go buy a commentary? Surely John MacArthur has it all figured out. WARNING: JOHN MACARTHUR IS A OSAS SCRIPTURE TWISTER WHO HAS NO TESTIMONY OF SALVATION. It is true look it up. If your matches his, then you have NEVER been saved either and you need to examine yourself in the truth of God’s word and allow the Lord to speak to you. If he is leading you away from Sin you can be sure it is from the Lord, if you desire is to please your heavenly Father. If your desire is to be declared righteous while in sin, you have bought a lie! True Jesus died for the ungodly, but to change them and make them new creatures who no longer live ungodly. But will allow God to work through them in cooperation with His Holy Spirit.

Tit 2:14  Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Don’t let the deceivers tell you about “practical vs. positional” purity. There is not positional without practical. Now, the practical will be realized more and more in the Christians life as he grows in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. If the Christian does sin he has an advocate with the Father and he needs to confess those sins and forsake them [which is implied in the confession, otherwise you are bragging and not contrite] and he will be cleansed from ALL unrighteousness. Notice that God cleans us after we meet His conditions? Notice also that John wrote these things that WE SIN NOT? Anyone who tells you it is impossible NOT to sin cut them off immediately as a false teacher. Rom 16:17  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and AVOID THEM.

It does not say pray for them, and love them, it says to AVOID THEM. Why do we think we are more holy than Paul who told us what to do in this universal circumstance? To obey is better than sacrifice.

Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Notice Jesus telling us here the remedy to NOT be spued out of the Lord’s mouth? IT is to come to Him on His terms, buying from him by dying to self; it is to BE zealous and REPENT. If you could not do these things he would not have commanded you to. He is telling you to trust Him all over again to go to Him so you can see, to suffer for him as the saints do. There is not money in telling the truth that I can testify of, but who will you serve? IS everything you do for money like the world, [at least in the U.S. it is]? While Joel Osteen rakes in $43,000,000.00 in one year by preaching a false itching ear gospel, all the true ministers of God I know are hardly receiving anything at all. There is a lot of acceptance in this OSAS false gospel as well as worldly respect.

MOST OF THESE NEXT VERSES ARE PROMISES MADE BY JESUS HIMSELF. I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE HIS PROMISES.

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,….” 2 Peter 2:4

First he gave the wrong address to the above verse, That verse is 2 Peter 1:4 . Second one thing to look out for in the OSAS proponents false teachings is their claiming of promises without meeting the conditions to claim those promises. Whenever you see a “therefore” or a “wherefore” or a “whereby” back up and see what the conditions were that need to be met for that promise to apply to our lives, so that we can indeed make claim to them. You will see when we examine these verses that it is not universally given to anyone who claims Christianity but to those who meet the preceding description of who the promise is made to.

2Pe 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

This is clearly not talking to those who have obtained a false conversion or who continue to live in sin as Peter makes so abundantly clear in Chapter 2 Vss. 20-22. We do not have the “righteousness of God” if we are not walking in righteousness, which is the implication of all OSAS proponents.

1Jn 2:3  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [We cannot be sinning AND keeping his commandments at the same time!]

1Jn 2:4  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [Those who say they know Him and preach an OSAS “gospel” are liars no matter how holy they may appear on the outside. This is the same way many Pharisees deceived people by their quoting of scripture, their outward appearance, and their acceptance by all but a small minority, including Jesus, The very God they claimed to serve!

1Jn 2:5  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. The love of God loves the truth! He hates the wicked, hates them so much that he separates himself from all who do wickedness…NO EXCEPTIONS! (Isa. 59:2)

 

2Pe 1:3  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and *VIRTUE: Notice that the “all things” is qualified here by “that which pertains to life and godliness.” The OSAS “gospel” pertains to death in that it gives hope of being finally free from the bondage of sin only after death. When the Apostle Paul wrote of his “BEFORE SAVED” experience (in the historical present tense) by saying, “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” He does not then say, DEATH! He exclaims his testimony in Jesus and then tells of the danger of walking in the flesh if he were to decide to walk that way.

*Virtue – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary 3. Moral goodness; the practice of moral duties and the abstaining from vice, or a conformity of life and conversation to the moral law. In this sense, virtue may be, and in many instances must be, distinguished from religion. The practice of moral duties merely from motives of convenience, or from compulsion, or from regard to reputation, is virtue, as distinct from religion. The practice of moral duties from sincere love to God and his laws, is virtue and religion. In this sense it is true,

 

Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I MYSELF SERVE THE LAW OF GOD; but with the flesh the law of sin.  This part is not emphasized by the false OSAS teachers of our day, but instead they like to emphasize that which Paul is trying to minimize. Paul here is warning those who revert to walking after the flesh that they will be condemned but to those who walk after the Spirit there is no condemnation nor is there sin in that believer’s life! They are in Christ and in Him is no sin. You cannot be sinning and in Christ! It is “either or” not “both and” which violates reason, the gospel and law of non-contradiction.

 

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36. Notice the person that believes has everlasting life. It does not say he will get it after he is dead, no, he has everlasting life when he truly believes, and there are no verses that say God took it back because "he did not believe anymore."  A true believer will not turn from the faith. That is why there are no verses of God taking it back.

 

Here again we see a complete lack of understanding of God’s word. Again we are talking about the possibility of losing one’s salvation. The KJV conveys the Greek present tense by adding “eth” to many words that are in continual present tense such as “abideth” “remaineth” “believeth” etc… In most cases a word that ends with the suffix “eth” means that what is being referred to is the continual present tense. Keeping this in mind when reading your bible, it will open up scriptures to you in a way that you have not experienced them before. The word “believeth” here is used in that way, in the continuous present tense so in essence it is saying “He that continues to believe now and in the future on the Son hath while believing everlasting life:”

Sometimes the confusion comes when we read everlasting or eternal life. Those who believe OSAS will protest saying it is a free gift, He would not take away from us. It is not God who would take away our free gift, it is s gift given on condition, and if the condition is not met the gift is forfeited. Think of it this way; let’s say that you were given a priceless free eternal timepiece with no strings attached. This timepiece is like no other, it never needs batteries or winding, only one of a kind was made. What happens if you through carelessness or neglect lose that eternal timepiece? Is the timepiece any less eternal? Will it keep time even though you lost it? Will it be of any less value because you lost it? Was it the person who gave it to you taking it back, or was it your fault for not attending to it as you should have? Was the timepiece taken from by anyone else? No. In the same way the everlasting is attached to the life as an adjective NOT to the possessor of it as an adverb. The only thing that changed from that timepiece was your possession of it. The same way eternal life is yours to keep or to lose. The keeping power of God is not in jeopardy it is those who do not rely on that keeping power but through apathy, neglect. Ye have not because ye ask not. God promises to keep us from falling into temptation but that promise does you no good if you do not believe it or neglect appropriating it through prayer.

 

I wonder why the OSAS gospel promoters fail to emphasize the promises that keep us from sin and the commands to live holy.  

 

 

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18  "IS NOT CONDEMNED" is pretty clear, but some would say "that is only while he believed" thinking a person can unbelieve after he has believed, but look at the next part. "he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed" do you see that, a person IS condemned because he has not believed yet. Once you truly believe you are not ever condemned. Do you have a problem believing God's promise?

 

Again this is answered by the above. To say believing once in a moment of time saved you is to not know the gospel of Jesus Christ. I actually had a Dr. of theology argue with me on this point. He actually said, “You don’t have to keep believing to be saved!” What that means is that we can believe at one moment or for a portion of our lives, turn and be the most vile and wicked rapist, murderer, liar, or homosexual and still have the hope of heaven despite the many warning in scripture that warn against those things. (1 Cor. 6:9,10, Gal. 5:19:21, Eph. 5:3-7, Rev. 21:8 1 John 3:15)

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 In this verse there are three promises to him that truly believes: 1. HAS, RIGHT NOW, EVERLASTING LIFE. 2. SHALL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION. 3. IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE. There are no verses that say God takes back everlasting life, or a person returns to condemnation, or a person goes back to death after receiving life.

 

Again “heareth,” a continual abiding in Christ, not having once heard! My sheep hear my voice and they follow me. Having once followed does not mean one always will follow; in fact most won’t according to scripture. Most of those who at one time followed Jesus turned away, many who followed also turned away from Paul. This is the truth path that most WILL turn from. Where do we get the term “fall away” to begin with? From Jesus Christ himself! (Luke 8:13)

2Pe 3:17  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 

What is the error of the wicked? To a Christian, whom Peter is addressing, the error of the wicked is to believe that they are saved while sinning. The word wicked here means lawless.

Heb 12:1  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset (surround) us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

*Wicked – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary 1. Evil in principle or practice; deviating from the divine law; addicted to vice; sinful; immoral. This is a word of comprehensive signification, extending to everything that is contrary to the moral law, and both to persons and actions.

The warning of Peter would fall on deaf ears of OSAS believers in that it is quickly dismissed as not applying to them. This is THE VERY DANGER Peter warned of. The wicked are the lawless ones. They teach that obedience is self-righteousness and that “sinless perfection” is a myth. First the bible nowhere speaks of “sinless perfection” It does however command us to be perfect. Since this is a command from our sole head and authority Jesus Christ the word of God it stands to reason that he did not command us to do something we could not do. In fact Paul counts not himself to have apprehended as in having already arrived, but pressed toward the mark for the prize of the high calling. He reinforced the command of Jesus, the true gospel, Paul’s gospel which is the same as Christ’s gospel, to be perfect to be of one mind, live in peace… This is part of the gospel we are to obey. The divisive false doctrine of the OSAS goes contrary to the truth of God’s word in declaring that no one can be perfect.  He also spoke of the error the Galatians fell into that caused them to disobey God and observe Jewish ceremonial law. We see that they were hindered from being “perfect” by their error. Note: Many OSAS teachers teach that because they obeyed the law they fell into error. They were bewitched into NOT obeying the truth, not because they did obey. This is clearly a false interpretation of the OSAS proponents, as Jesus will cast the lawless into outer darkness. Did Paul deride the Galatians for obeying the moral law? Let’s see if that could be true:

Does the OSAS gospel please men, even sinful men? Yes!

Is it a gospel that teaches us to obey God? No!

Is it the same gospel Paul preached? No!

Is it the same Gospel that Jesus Preached? No!

If the OSAS gospel is true and we are forgiven of present and future sins, how can anyone tell us to repent?

If righteousness is imputed to unrepentant sinners is that not universalism?

 Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Does Paul mean to imply here that we can be lawless and enter heaven? Is he telling us that we don’t need moral law after Christ?

No he tells us this is not what he is talking about in the very next verse, saying in essence I am not speaking about “disobeying the moral law,” which is sin, but about the ceremonial laws of the Jews in circumcision and observance of times and days.

Gal 2:17  But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

How would we be found sinners? By being sinners! That is disobeying the moral commands of God. Paul did not rebuke them for:

Having no other gods before the one true God.

For NOT bowing down to idols.

For NOT taking the Lord’s name in vain.

For NOT honoring fathers and mothers.

For NOT killing.

For NOT committing adultery.

For NOT stealing.

For NOT lying and bearing false witness.

For NOT coveting.

To say that He said they were trying to be justified for obeying the moral law as a work of the flesh is a biblical absurdity. It was them reverting to Judaism, which we see a lot of in these last days. It is what he openly rebuked Peter for, compelling gentiles to observe the customs and ceremonial laws of the Jews. In other words cutting off the flesh in circumcision cannot justify anyone as it was a type of the circumcision of the heart that Christ would do by His Spirit at a believer’s conversion. In fact the entire book of Hebrews is a warning against falling from the grace they were saved by with an exhortation to come back to the simple faith that is in Christ.

 

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 1 John 3:14 This verse is the only other verse that talks about being passed from death unto life. Also, notice that the person that does not love his brother "abides" or lives in death. It does not say he went back to death.

 

Again this verse hardly proves OSAS. “Have passed” Is conditioned on the continual present tense of “we love the brethren.”  This is clearly illustrated and re-enforced in the next part of the verse which says he that “loveth” (a continuous present tense) not his brother abideth n death. Far from “proving OSAS it actually disproves it by showing that a “brother” that is a Christian CAN abide in death if he does not love his brother.

 

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Colossians 1:13  This verse here says it another way, and again there are no verses that say a person returns to darkness after being translated into the kingdom. Also, there are no verses where we get untranslated.

 

This verse does not somehow magically wipe away the conditions God has set forth in His word to, abide, be pure, stand fast in the faith, be perfect, be holy, repent, and endure to the end. Paul wrote this to the saints, therefore those who have had a moment of faith but are no longer saints due to separation from the Lord by sins can find no solace here. For these promises are to the saints not to sinners who were at one time saints. There are those who would like to keep the title “brother” and benefits of salvation because they had a moment of true conversion but have gone back into sin. Paul the writer of this book also wrote to one such “believer” who had fallen:

Col 1:22  In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Col 1:23  IF (condition) ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the *hope of the gospel, (hope is that which is yet to be reaped, if we already fully possessed it so as to never have any chance or possibility of losing it, it would not be a hope, it would be a guarantee.) which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

*HOPE, n. [L. cupio.]

 

1. A desire of some good, accompanied with at least a slight expectation of obtaining it, or a belief that it is obtainable. Hope differs from wish and desire in this, that it implies some expectation of obtaining the good desired, or the possibility of possessing it.

 

1Co 5:11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother (these are those who would still like to be called Christian and refer to themselves as Christians even though they are in sins that will take them to Hell. How do we know if we are a Christian or wicked? If you were once a born again believer and are doing these sins, you are now wicked) be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1Co 5:12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1Co 5:13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27,28  Notice in this verse Jesus’ sheep (the true believers) follow Jesus. That means they never turn away from him. I guess because they never turn away from him they can never lose their salvation. Also, look, Jesus promises his sheep something, what is it?  It’s Eternal Life! And he promises them that they shall “NEVER” perish. WOW! but what if they later “will” not to follow Jesus?  Don’t try to add to the Bible, you “will” be in trouble.  Jesus says his sheep “FOLLOW HIM”,  and I hope some of you don’t think a person can “unsheep” himself. Some people will try to think of anything they can to try to make the Bible fit what they believe.

 

First this verse nowhere says “That means they will never turn from him” It means what it says and no more. It means that if you are found not to be in His hand you can’t blame Jesus or anyone else, it is you who walked away! Does Jesus contradict himself?

Joh 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

 

 (Is there such a thing as unbelieving Disciples of Christ? Yes and no. Yes in that they were at one time his believers, and no in that they turned back of their own free will. Did God or anyone pluck them out of His hand? No, They turned back and walked with Him no more.)

He also says in this verse my sheep hear my voice NOT having heard at one time my voice, and they follow (continuous present tense) me. As we have already demonstrated it is a continual abiding in Christ and enduring to the end looking for that blessed hope of his appearing.

 

 

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1 John 3:8-10 First, notice there is a division here, those of the devil, and those born of God. Notice those born of God “doth not commit sin”. Well, in order for a person to lose his salvation he would have to commit sin. Right? Well, here it says they do not commit sin.

 

Again the “th” is a variation of the “eth” in denoting a continuous present tense. It does say they will never or have never sinned as a Christian. The same John who wrote this also wrote 1Jn 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 1 John 5:18  Here it is again, the person born of God does not sin and makes sure he does not. There is no such thing as a backslidden Christian.

 

REFER TO ABOVE

 

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13  How can a person “know” he has eternal life if he can lose it? If he has it for a while but then could lose it it would not be eternal but only partial eternal life, and that is not what he promises.

 

 “How can a person “know” he has eternal life if he can lose it?”  Because one can lose it doesn’t mean one cannot KNOW he has it. If I had a cell phone in my hand I would KNOW I have it. Does that mean I can never at some time in the future lose it? Your lack logic and reasoning will be your downfall of you promote your secure in sin false gospel and do not repent. The LAST thing this world needs is another propagator of the false OSAS gospel.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfy2dB7v92A

 

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:8,9 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13 In these two verses here it says they “SHALL BE SAVED”. Are these verses lying?

 

R. Lee Ermy said, “I pray to Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius, and Jesus Christ and any other religious honcho I can think of. Does that mean R. Lee Ermy is a Christian when he calls on Jesus?” Or are we to understand that this means we do not have to repent since repentance is not mentioned here? Again not a “proof text” for OSAS.

 

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:4,5  Here it says that because we have the faith, we have reservations in Heaven, and because of our faith we are kept by the power of God. There are no verses that say a person can lose his saving faith once he has it.

 

 Because the inheritance fadeth not away does not guarantee you will make it. If I had a reservation for a restaurant and then chose not to go that would not make the restaurant disappear or dishonor them because I forfeited MY reservation. IT does not say “because we have the faith” It says those who are “kept are kept by the power of God through faith,” That is those who have faith unto salvation NOT anyone who at one time made a profession of faith.

 

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God… 1 John 5:1 How does a person become born of God? Through belief or faith in Christ, God in the flesh.

 

Jas 2:19  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Does that mean the devil is saved? Could it be James is refuting your version of easy believism?

 

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:4,5 If you are born of God you are an overcomer.

 

If he believes he obeys, if he obeyed but stopped obeying he did not overcome did he? Jesus said we would know them by their fruit, you say they can bear fruit for twenty years then turn to homosexuality and either still be saved as some teach or was never saved to begin with as others teach. The third option is where you miss it which leads you to your error, that He could have been saved and turned back to sin forfeiting his salvation, being cut off for not continuing in His goodness, not enduring to the end and doing that which God said would not enter into the kingdom of God. Jesus spoke of this:

  # 1 UNBELIEVER WHO HEARD AND DID NOT UNDERSTAND (REJECTED THE WORD)Mat 13:19  When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 #2 BELIEVER who HEARD THE WORD RECEIVED IT WITH JOY BECAUSE HE DID UNDERSTAND BUT DID NOT ENDURE TO THE END. and “DURETH FOR A WHILE” in the faith then becomes offended and turns away. Mat 13:20  But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

Mat 13:21  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

#3 BELIEVER WHO HEARD THE WORD UNDERSTOOD THEN THE CARES OF THIS WORLD CHOKE THE WORD THAT WAS IN HIM AND DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT (John 15:5-6) Mat 13:22  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

BECOMETH unfruitful means he at one time WAS fruitful and showed he was at one time a true believer.

#4 BELIEVER WHO HEARD THE WORD and UNDERSTOOD IT (meaning he knew the goodness and severity of God and knew he must endure to the end and bear fruit AND ABODE IN THE VINE AND ENDURED TO THE END WHEN THE FRUIT WAS REAPED AT HIS END. Mat 13:23  But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5 If you are born of God by believing in Jesus, you are an overcomer and Jesus says he “WILL NOT” blot your name out of the book of life. Which means you cannot lose your salvation.

 

Merely “believing in the sense the OSAS folks mean it will not get you to Heaven. Believing it to obedience by faith bearing fruit to perfection and enduring to the end will. To believe otherwise is to not believe at all but it is to believe a lie which cannot save you. If your belief allows for personal sin in your life you have a belief that is not in the word but in the faulty and dangerous theology of mere men. If you believe that stealing will make you rich and that is your desire that is what you will do. If you believe it CAN make you rich but you would lose your soul by doing it and instead work and give cheerfully, you demonstrate what you believe by what you do. It is not your words or how many correct answers you get on a test that will get you to heaven it is the doing of the word of God. Mat 7:21  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7 A true believer in Jesus Christ is a son of God and that can never change. If you think a person can become un-son-ed give me chapter and verse………….Hmm, I thought so.

 

This is another fine example of the way NOT to reason. If you cannot be “un-son-ed” then you are still a son of Satan aren’t you? It must work both ways if you were made a Son of God once from being a son of the devil then it stands to reason it can work the other way if you go back into that which you were once washed from. That is like saying I got a shower once and now I am clean forever. I can never get dirty because in Sept. 1980 I took a shower and I was SOOO clean! Now I never have to take another shower again!

 

Act 8:13  Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Act 8:20  But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Act 8:21  Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Act 8:22  Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. Act 8:23  For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Simon once and fell away, Peter told him he needed to repent. History shows he went to Rome and gathered a big following there working magic. He was saved and fell away; he was pierced through with the desire for wealth, because of the riches of this world he is in Hell.

 

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30 Those who have the Spirit of God (which is put into a person when he truly believes in Jesus Christ) is sealed by the Spirit until he is redeemed (bought back) by God in the end of time. So I guess a true believer is stuck being saved even though they might grieve God’s Spirit. Grieving God’s Spirit does not mean living in sin, or backsliding. It just means not being kind one to another.

 

Sealed is not some guarantee against your failure or ability for forfeit. It is an earnest that authenticates a true conversion. I have a seal on my diplomas which authenticates them as being genuine. Seals can be broken by those who do not want to meet the conditions of holiness and endurance and dying to self. This does not mean one cannot fall away as Peter said:

 2Pe 2:19  While they promise them liberty (OSAS IN A NUTSHELL), they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (escaped means they were genuinely saved at some point), they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (What is worse than never being saved? Having been saved and falling away, dying in your sins with the knowledge of the right and true way to Heaven, ask Judas)

2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:28-30  When a person is saved he loves God, and now lets see the progression which does not get interfered with: predestinated; called; justified; glorified. Well, glory, I guess we make it all the way whether we want to or not, but we will want to.

 

Foreknowledge is not causative. Predestination is the predetermined path that Jesus Christ has trodden for us that we should follow him. This is confirmed by the next part of the verse which says what predestination is; it is for us to be conformed to the image of His Son. If we are sinning we are not in Him, for in Him is no sin. If we are in Christ we are not in sin, which means we are not committing sins of the flesh and are hearing his voice and following Him in obedience, continuing in his goodness, forgetting those things which are behind, thinking on good things, meditating on His word day and night, abiding in Christ, bearing good fruit unto perfection, praying and enjoying correction as we know it works together for our eternal wellbeing. Misquoting a bunch of verses out of context does not prove anything but that one is unskilled in the word. To deny the possibility of losing one’s salvation is to ignore God’s severity, to teach it is to argue FOR sin and against what Jesus Christ himself has said. To do so is to do the work of Elymas the sorcerer, in seeking to turn the deputy from the faith. Why in this circumstance didn’t Paul just say, Mr. Deputy, it is impossible for you to turn from the faith? Instead he said, “And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness (OSAS), wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? What is perverting the ways of the Lord more than telling people they can be secure in their sin? This Spirit which works through all subtilty is still at work in those who promote this wretched wicked doctrine. I would like to end with a testimony of the fruit of this wickedness.

 

A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

Bless you brother. Your osas articles that I have read really do shine the light on a doctrine that has done a lot to lure the body of Christ back into sin and self destruction. But the Messiah taught us thru the word that “a good tree does not bring forth bad fruit and that you shall know a tree by it’s fruit.”

Man’s reasoning of osas says that I can have my cake and eat it too. Keep on sinning boy, you done got yo ticket to the pearly gates. Nobody’s perfect, everybody sins, so just keep on doing the sins that you really like to do. God has forgiven you past, present, and future. When Paul was talking about avoiding doctrines of demons I’m sure that he was talking about such as this. The word states Be ye holy cause I am holy, and perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord, because without this no one shall see him.

My good friend killed himself 8 years ago and in the letters that he wrote while the drugs were destroying his internal organs He said he knew God would forgive him. osas again. And when the bullet splattered his brains all over the wall he was convinced that God would be there ready to embrace Him. He had told me months before exactly how He would kill himself if his wife ever left, because he would never pay child support and they had three children. I told him that I didn’t think that it worked that way because I had read the verse Your body is the temple of God. He who destroys the temple of God, God will destroy.

I really thought that Buddy was just talking noise but to my horror He calmly premeditated and carried his own execution. Early on the morning of my eldest son’s birthday I got a call from his wife…Buddy’s dead…by his own hand. If he had not had the osas mindset but rather the increasing life mindset, well maybe he would have spent his anniversary with his wife, instead of leaving her waiting, while He was out with one of his old girlfriends.

Now Buddy was a very intelligent man, articulate who could build a sailing ship in a wine bottle, rebuild an engine out of an MG Midget, navigate around the world by the stars and the sun. But He was unable to see the plan of destruction that had been planted into his mind just as deadly as a mine in a minefield. For about 5 years every time I would go to work when my son’s birthday was close tears would fall down my face for… Buddy. God bless you brother and keep shining the light..